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	<title>Comments on: Why You Have Lost the Argument With &#8220;Stay Out of Chinese Internal Affairs&#8221;</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 花间半壶酒 &#187; XXX是我们中国自己的事儿</title>
		<link>http://www.micahfk.com/blog/2008/04/15/stay-out-of-chinese-internal-affairs/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>花间半壶酒 &#187; XXX是我们中国自己的事儿</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 话还得再说回来，否则我极有可能被划到“网特”“汉奸”那个阵营中去，或许不是所有的事儿都可以让洋人们插上一脚，大抵如此，中间路线永远都是值得考量的；又或许所谓“国际主义”、“孤立主义”、“全球主义”、“民族主义”都不过是一些幌子罢了，说到底， This is all about money。 参考文章：Why You Have Lost the Argument With “Stay Out of Chinese Internal Affairs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 话还得再说回来，否则我极有可能被划到“网特”“汉奸”那个阵营中去，或许不是所有的事儿都可以让洋人们插上一脚，大抵如此，中间路线永远都是值得考量的；又或许所谓“国际主义”、“孤立主义”、“全球主义”、“民族主义”都不过是一些幌子罢了，说到底， This is all about money。 参考文章：Why You Have Lost the Argument With “Stay Out of Chinese Internal Affairs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Demerzel</title>
		<link>http://www.micahfk.com/blog/2008/04/15/stay-out-of-chinese-internal-affairs/#comment-2512</link>
		<dc:creator>Demerzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I want to make sure that I am not trying to justify the actions, only that the argument saying "stay out of China's internal affairs" is a losing argument and that if one were to try to debate, then there are better ways.

And I completely agree that the long-run implications will be some kind of national shame for what is going on, and always will be when we do not take honest criticism for the horrors we commit today.

Also, there's the whole other side of the story in that the criticism leveled at China is not felt to be honest criticism, but ignorance/bias against China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I want to make sure that I am not trying to justify the actions, only that the argument saying &#8220;stay out of China&#8217;s internal affairs&#8221; is a losing argument and that if one were to try to debate, then there are better ways.</p>
<p>And I completely agree that the long-run implications will be some kind of national shame for what is going on, and always will be when we do not take honest criticism for the horrors we commit today.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s the whole other side of the story in that the criticism leveled at China is not felt to be honest criticism, but ignorance/bias against China.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the "blame game" as entirely useless in assessing moral issues.  An issue on human rights for example--yes...the United States has done terrible things in the past, their treatment of the Native Americans being on such issue.  

Yet there is nationwide shame for these acts.  You can't go through an American elementary school class without hearing how badly abused the Native Americans were, how they all lived in peace on their native soil, and how settlers ripped it from their hands.

I fail to see how the immoral acts and the ethical blunders of past generations and administrations vindicate any action on the part of China.  The most that can be said is that we ought to be remorseful for the actions of our fathers, learn from their mistakes, and attempt to remedy the damage that has been done to the best of our ability.

This is in stark contrast to the whispered "Incident of 1989" which was ignored for over a decade and then played down in the history books when finally admitted.

Instead of playing games such as these, why don't we take honest criticism for what it is, rather than trying to excuse ourselves by citing the wrongs of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the &#8220;blame game&#8221; as entirely useless in assessing moral issues.  An issue on human rights for example&#8211;yes&#8230;the United States has done terrible things in the past, their treatment of the Native Americans being on such issue.  </p>
<p>Yet there is nationwide shame for these acts.  You can&#8217;t go through an American elementary school class without hearing how badly abused the Native Americans were, how they all lived in peace on their native soil, and how settlers ripped it from their hands.</p>
<p>I fail to see how the immoral acts and the ethical blunders of past generations and administrations vindicate any action on the part of China.  The most that can be said is that we ought to be remorseful for the actions of our fathers, learn from their mistakes, and attempt to remedy the damage that has been done to the best of our ability.</p>
<p>This is in stark contrast to the whispered &#8220;Incident of 1989&#8243; which was ignored for over a decade and then played down in the history books when finally admitted.</p>
<p>Instead of playing games such as these, why don&#8217;t we take honest criticism for what it is, rather than trying to excuse ourselves by citing the wrongs of others.</p>
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